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Public split over strike

8:34am Thursday 17th July 2008

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STRIKING council employees have split public opinion.

Workers are on strike again today in a dispute with Government over pay.

In a straw pole the majority of those asked believed that Unison members are right to strike.

But our online readers voted against the industrial action.

Unison has estimated that over two-days of industrial action, which will finish at the end of today, 2,000 Swindon Council workers have been on strike and approximately 200 people protested with placards.

Bob Cretchley, Unison branch secretary said members are asking for a six per cent pay rise to help meet the rising costs of modern life, as food and fuel prices continue to climb.

He said: "We are on strike because the cost of living is sky rocketing and we are not being offered near that.

"Our workers do very important jobs, including many of the grotty things that others wouldn't like to do.

"That is everything from picking up litter to cleaning out rubbish bins."

David Lewis, a pensioner from Walcot, said that workers deserve better treatment considering they work hard and provide vital services.

He said: "They deserve extra money because I know how low the wages are.

"I ask anyone against these strikes, is it fair to pay someone looking after our most vulnerable people £6 an hour?"

Fatima Casinhas, 34, a full-time mum from Walcot, said: "I think they need more support for the work that they do, and I think what they are looking for, to be paid above inflation, is reasonable.

"If going on strike is the only way to put their point across then it is necessary."

Paul Nicholls, director of an estate agents, who lives in Abbey Meads, said that everyone in the country would like a wage increase but that would not be practical.

He said: "There should be a right to strike, but I don't think council workers are that badly paid."

A spokesperson for Swindon Borough Council said: "This is a national, not a local, issue. We apologise to residents for any inconvenience caused by the strike action.

"Our website www.swindon.gov.uk has full details of any services which have been affected."


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Andy_C, Swindon says...
8:44am Thu 17 Jul 08

So over 90% of the workers who walked out were so bothered about the issue, that they stayed at home to make their point instead of joining the picket lines.

Some council workers earn a lot for what they do, but i agree others are poorly paid. However the carers, bin men, road sweepers, cleaners didnt have to go to college and uni to gain the relevent qualifications to do that job.

At the end of the day, they can strike all they like, it wont change anything. SBC cannot afford to increase there overheads by 6%

Frontier(s), says...
9:28am Thu 17 Jul 08

Andy_C makes a good point. 6% is just not realistic in the current climate, especially when the government are still pretending the inflation rate is 3.8%

I used to work for the civil service and while it's true that, generally, the pay isn't great there are numerous other benefits that do make it a cushy job. Ever tried being fired from the civil service? Virtually impossible.

I know from direct experience that many people work in the public sector because it's an easy life and they probably wouldn't be able to get such jobs in the private sector. That might sound harsh but it's entirely true.

I have never seen so many people sitting around drinking tea and waiting for their pension as I did at the two civil service institutions I worked at.

It is hard for younger people who want to work hard and forge a career (my advice: leave the civil service!) but for everyone else it is basically a doddle.

doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
9:46am Thu 17 Jul 08

So over 90% of the workers who walked out were so bothered about the issue, that they stayed at home to make their point instead of joining the picket lines.

Thanks to Thatcher a picket line of more than six persons is an illegal assembely, so yes why not stay at home especially as it was a nice day.

Frontier(s), says...
9:50am Thu 17 Jul 08

Thanks to Thatcher a picket line of more than six persons is an illegal assembely


Thank God.

Grimly Feendish, Swindon says...
9:56am Thu 17 Jul 08

"In a straw pole the majority of those asked believed that Unison members are right to strike.

But our online readers voted against the industrial action."

Why ask the online readers? The majority of them seem as ignorant as the online writers.

POLE???




docklander, swindon says...
10:03am Thu 17 Jul 08

Frontier(s) point of
Andy_C makes a good point. 6% is just not realistic in the current climate, especially when the government are still pretending the inflation rate is 3.8%

seems to me to be a shot in his/her own foot. That's exactly why they are asking for 6%, inflation is not 3:8% as some would have us believe. Wait until you retire and have a pension, and to see this lot wipe out this years yearly increase in one fell swoop with No Redress.
I hope they get close to the 6% they are asking for, they deserve it in the main.

Robins69, swindon says...
10:08am Thu 17 Jul 08

This council is totally useless. On Tuesday I called swindon direct waste department and asked if my wheelie bin and weekly recycling collection would take place I was told wheelie bins they should be collected, but no weekly collection of recycling orange bins, plastic bottles or garden waste collection would take place. Guess what weekly recycling turned up and collected the recycling also wheelie bin been collected all by 10.00am I just wish that swindon direct would give the correct information when people call them.

Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
10:10am Thu 17 Jul 08

A spokesperson for Swindon Borough Council said: "This is a national, not a local, issue. We apologise to residents for any inconvenience caused by the strike action. Did I miss something. Do SBC not set staff rates of pay. I wasn't aware LA's were part of a collective bargaining unit.

Grimly Feendish, Swindon says...
10:13am Thu 17 Jul 08

Robins69 wrote:
This council is totally useless. On Tuesday I called swindon direct waste department and asked if my wheelie bin and weekly recycling collection would take place I was told wheelie bins they should be collected, but no weekly collection of recycling orange bins, plastic bottles or garden waste collection would take place. Guess what weekly recycling turned up and collected the recycling also wheelie bin been collected all by 10.00am I just wish that swindon direct would give the correct information when people call them.
So let's get this right. You are complaining that services WERE delivered despite the strike?

Unbelievable. It could only happen in Nu-Labour's Britain.

Tory Rouge, The scabby end of town says...
10:29am Thu 17 Jul 08

Although I don't think Magaret Thatcher is God, although she was the next best thing, I do have to agree with Frontier as I would reduce the level of pickets to zero and make all strikes illegal. People shouldn't strike in our Great British democracy, they should go to the ballot box. Magaret Thatcher for me every time.

Frontier(s), says...
10:39am Thu 17 Jul 08

docklander wrote:
Frontier(s) point of
Andy_C makes a good point. 6% is just not realistic in the current climate, especially when the government are still pretending the inflation rate is 3.8%
seems to me to be a shot in his/her own foot. That's exactly why they are asking for 6%, inflation is not 3:8% as some would have us believe. Wait until you retire and have a pension, and to see this lot wipe out this years yearly increase in one fell swoop with No Redress. I hope they get close to the 6% they are asking for, they deserve it in the main.
My point was that while the government are pretending the inflation rate is 3.8% they will never agree to a 6% increase, which itself would only be 33% of the actual inflation rate.

The government lie about the inflation rate as they'd otherwise be in even more doo-doo than they already are.

Can you imagine the entire civil service, of which at least 20% is now simply a means to keep the unemployment figures to another untrue figure, demanding an 18% pay rise?!?

The facts are that there are 7 million (well over 10%) people not working in this country, inflation is at 18% and the tax burden is higher than at any point in history while public services continue to get worse.

Meanwhile, we're still spending billions each year on utterly pointless wars in the middle east.

Hooray for Labour.

Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
11:08am Thu 17 Jul 08

The bottom line on this is no amount of wage rise will help this will just be a self perpetuating problem. Council workers get 6%, council tax goes up, other workers want 6%, food prices go up again, etc etc. Lets face the country is in the sh*t. This always happens with a Labour Government, the only difference this time, is there is nothing left to bail us out, Gordon Brown has squandered the family silver but still believes the economy can survive. I think predictions of a winter of discontent, are way off the mark, try September/October.

Robins69, swindon says...
11:21am Thu 17 Jul 08

Grimly Feendish wrote:
Robins69 wrote: This council is totally useless. On Tuesday I called swindon direct waste department and asked if my wheelie bin and weekly recycling collection would take place I was told wheelie bins they should be collected, but no weekly collection of recycling orange bins, plastic bottles or garden waste collection would take place. Guess what weekly recycling turned up and collected the recycling also wheelie bin been collected all by 10.00am I just wish that swindon direct would give the correct information when people call them.
So let's get this right. You are complaining that services WERE delivered despite the strike? Unbelievable. It could only happen in Nu-Labour's Britain.
I'm sure some people who post on internet are brain dead I really do. point is when you call council waste dept and ask what is happening due to the strike they should be able to give the correct information, lots of my neighbours missed having the waste collected after being told there would be no collection.. could only happen with TORY COUNCIL. LABOUR AND TORIES COULD MAKE A GOOD PARTY IF THEY TRIED ALL BUNCH OF T*SSERS.

Frontier(s), says...
11:23am Thu 17 Jul 08

Lets face the country is in the sh*t. This always happens with a Labour Government, the only difference this time, is there is nothing left to bail us out, Gordon Brown has squandered the family silver but still believes the economy can survive. I think predictions of a winter of discontent, are way off the mark, try September/October.


Agree entirely RFM... although try June/July for the last part!

Grimly Feendish, Swindon says...
11:30am Thu 17 Jul 08

Robins69 said:
I'm sure some people who post on internet are brain dead I really do.

You are living proof. You just need to moan, even when things get done, you just need to.

Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
11:40am Thu 17 Jul 08

Grimly, I do thinks Robins has a point. What is the point in having an information desk, if they don't get it right. As they say now some people will have to wait another 2 weeks and one assumes too many bags for bins.

who dat?, says...
12:35pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I suspect 70% of the stay-at-homes are on sickies anyway!
SBC- Sick note capital of England!

Oxford, Toothill says...
12:57pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I see that their are still people who think Tory is better than Labour and vis-à-vis, when in truth the two parties are exactly the same. Take Swindon council for an instance, how many Tory and Labour turn coats are there? Quite a number from what I can see, so no matter where you dig in the pile, you will still come out with a shovel full of dung. The same is true at national level as well. I also see that someone on this comments page thinks that the Iron Lady is God, well I would use the same three letters to describe her, but I would change the order of the D and the G, but one thing would dispute, is that iron is made out of ore and cotains a lot of slag in its initial production, and as for steel, Margret Thatcher certainly did off of every poor and working person in Britain.

Oxford, Toothill says...
1:01pm Thu 17 Jul 08

It seems amazing that the key-board misses out vital letters at vital times.I also see that someone on this comments page thinks that the Iron Lady is God, well I would use the same three letters to describe her, but I would change the order of the D and the G, but one thing I wouldn't dispute, is that iron is made out of ore and cotains a lot of slag in its initial production, and as for steel, Margret Thatcher certainly did off of every poor and working person in Britain.

yeti, swindon says...
1:10pm Thu 17 Jul 08

thatchers government was terrible and wrecked alot of our nation.
our current labour one is just as awful.
both partys are an absolute disgrace, and should hang their heads in shame.
the depressing thing is that there are no real alternatives to the pair of them.

Frontier(s), says...
1:15pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Oxford, the real irony is that social mobility has got worse under Labour and the poor have got even poorer thanks to the economic and social policies of Blair and Brown.

I'm sure you won't believe it but the facts are a matter of record and the Office of National Statistics confirms them.

Not even Maggie would have dared to introduce a 10% Income Tax band to help the poor and then removed it a few years later!

Still, in two years time we'll again see the Tories rubbished as they take over government and have to make some hard choices in order to get the economy back on track now that Broon has wrecked the golden economy he was gifted by the Tories in 1997.

Oxford, Toothill says...
1:26pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Hi Frontier, you may be 100% right in what you say, but I believe that given the right time, both of these parties would have done more or less the same. Thatcher, Brown, Blair, all from the same dung pile.

Harry Potter, Swindon says...
2:24pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Not sure I can respect the opinion of anybody that struggles to spell the name 'Margaret'!!

mavis, Swindon says...
2:26pm Thu 17 Jul 08

They pick up litter, not perform brain surgery. I would love a wage increase, but its not going to happen, These people are lazy they should stop whinging and get back to work

Gavia Immer, Swindon says...
2:33pm Thu 17 Jul 08

It never failes that these discussions always digress to slamming poilticians and political parties.

May I remind everyone that those politicians are elected officials and perhaps, as a society, we should be making better choices when deciding in whose hands we place the responsibility of representation and leadership.

Or does that hit a little too close to home?

LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
2:41pm Thu 17 Jul 08

mavis wrote:
They pick up litter, not perform brain surgery. I would love a wage increase, but its not going to happen, These people are lazy they should stop whinging and get back to work
That's why someone who picks litter isn't paid the same as a brain surgeon. However, inflation affects everyone - and it'll affect the litter picker in a bigger way than it will a brain surgeon.

I'm just not getting this argument that people are putting up, which runs along the line of "I don't get a pay rise, why should they?"

Have any of you considered getting a job in the civil service so that you can enjoy their pay rise and enjoy the nice easy life they apparently have?

Frontier(s), says...
2:41pm Thu 17 Jul 08

May I remind everyone that those politicians are elected officials and perhaps, as a society, we should be making better choices when deciding in whose hands we place the responsibility of representation and leadership.


True, in some ways.

Maybe now is a good time to remind people that Tony Blair last won power with just 28% of the country voting for him.

Gordon Brown, of course, was not voted for by the general public at all.

LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
2:43pm Thu 17 Jul 08

That's because we don't elect prime ministers, we elect parties...technicall
y, there's nothing wrong with GB becoming PM the way he did - you may not like him for it, but what he did isn't unusual - Germany do it, and I'm sure many other countries do.

OnlyMe, Swindon says...
4:37pm Thu 17 Jul 08

who dat? wrote:
I suspect 70% of the stay-at-homes are on sickies anyway! SBC- Sick note capital of England!
...and you were clearly 'nose to the grindstone' posting on here...
The strike action is a result of 5 years of 'quite frankly' insulting cost of living increases and is a national reaction not just a Swindon Borough Council employee one.
I am proud of my job, I believe in what I do and the people I help but can barely scrape by on what I earn now.
and thank you commenter but I have not had a day off sick in 4 years, how about you?
Do not judge a man or woman until you have walk a mile in their shoes.

mkeen61267, Swindon says...
4:51pm Thu 17 Jul 08

If you don't like the pay you receive get another job that pays more...simple economics.

Why should the rest of us in the private sector have to pay through our taxes for you to have a pay rise which if granted will then encourage every other Union to get their workers out on strike?

I don't care whether your job is an essential one or not, if you don't like the pay get another one!

mkeen61267, Swindon says...
4:54pm Thu 17 Jul 08

yeti wrote:
thatchers government was terrible and wrecked alot of our nation.
our current labour one is just as awful.
both partys are an absolute disgrace, and should hang their heads in shame.
the depressing thing is that there are no real alternatives to the pair of them.
Thank God for Maggie or we would be in deeper doo doo than we are now!

docklander, swindon says...
4:58pm Thu 17 Jul 08

To compare the wages of the Council worker with a Brain Surgeon is not wise, after all if they were both compelled to take a pay rise of 2:5% then the wage gap between them widens as any mathematician can work out. In times like these (is at a recession yet or not)everyone should be paid an across the board increase such as a figure of £500, or, whatever is deemed to be the extra cost of living, irrespective of occupation.

yeti, swindon says...
5:12pm Thu 17 Jul 08

mkeen61267 wrote:
yeti wrote: thatchers government was terrible and wrecked alot of our nation. our current labour one is just as awful. both partys are an absolute disgrace, and should hang their heads in shame. the depressing thing is that there are no real alternatives to the pair of them.
Thank God for Maggie or we would be in deeper doo doo than we are now!
rubbish.alot of the **** we are in is a result of her government.short memories some have i think

Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
5:49pm Thu 17 Jul 08

As someone who has lived through 5 changes in Government I know which crowd I prefer of the main 2 and that is not New Labour or it's old version. I one thing that perpetuates still throughout Labour is the politics of envy. They simply cannot get beyond that as Brown showed all too clearly as Chancellor, he had no concept of how wealth creation works and has pummelled business, big and small. We are moving rapidly down the list of the most productive nations, thanks to the envy.

Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
6:10pm Thu 17 Jul 08

As someone who has lived through 5 changes in Government I know which crowd I prefer of the main 2 and that is not New Labour or it's old version. I one thing that perpetuates still throughout Labour is the politics of envy. They simply cannot get beyond that as Brown showed all too clearly as Chancellor, he had no concept of how wealth creation works and has pummelled business, big and small. We are moving rapidly down the list of the most productive nations, thanks to the envy.

wiley07, swindon says...
6:43pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Whats the point in striking the people all come back to work and have to do double the amount to catch up for the same pay plus without the wage rise!

Oxford, Toothill says...
7:17pm Thu 17 Jul 08

How I whole-heartedly agree with Harry Potter on the spelling of 'Margaret'. I did copy and paste my last comments and up date some of the letters obliterated, however, the Iron Ladies name was missed. I think I might need a new keyboard as my spilling seams perfekt! Hows Emma Watson by the way? Absolutely wizard I hope!

Oxford, Toothill says...
7:33pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I have a great idea! We could get rid of all the road sweepers and refuse collectors and make brain surgeons do this work in their spare hours, this way we could save money and then refuse the brain surgeons a rise because they pick up rubbish. Magnifico!!

Frontier(s), says...
9:00pm Thu 17 Jul 08

LordBelacqua wrote:
That's because we don't elect prime ministers, we elect parties...technicall y, there's nothing wrong with GB becoming PM the way he did - you may not like him for it, but what he did isn't unusual - Germany do it, and I'm sure many other countries do.
You hit the nail on the head... 'technically'.

Let's be honest, parties get elected (or not) in this country solely because of who their leader is*

If you don't believe me, I suggest you get Messrs. Foot, Kinnock and Blair around a table and ask their view.

(* This is changing, it's now mainly about benefits and government 'assistance')

Captain Sensible, Near Swindon says...
10:44pm Thu 17 Jul 08

None of these workers are asking for £50k a year (thats reserved for the greedy council executives) they are just asking for their relatively low salaries to at least keep pace with inflation. 2.5% of nothing is nothing, and in reality it is a paycut. Some people who work for the council do a good job and deserve a honest wage.

Neil, Swindon says...
1:12am Fri 18 Jul 08

Some people just don't get it... Like Frontier for instance.. "Andy_C makes a good point. 6% is just not realistic in the current climate, especially when the government are still pretending the inflation rate is 3.8%"
Ever heard of negotiating... you start high and normally end up in the middle...

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